Wednesday, February 10, 2010

What is the best deer rifle for 13 year old. peferably low recoil, but has alot knock down power as well.?

i've heard a 243 is pretty good but im not formilur with the recoil. list rifles with low recoil but i would not want to los drop power. best answer gets 10 points. and if you can plzzz list ther range of the gun you have listed.What is the best deer rifle for 13 year old. peferably low recoil, but has alot knock down power as well.?
When I was a kid I had a youth model Remington Model 7 in 7mm-08. Kick wasn't bad, and I nailed a couple deer at ranges %26gt;150 yards. (Note: for your first couple deer you're going to be too excited to notice even the sound of the shot, much less the kick!). Then again, by the time I was 13 I had switched to a full-size 30-30 so my brother could use the 7mm. So maybe (depending on his size), you should just get him a full-size rifle.





That being said, now that we're all grown up, we still use the little 7mm-08 youth model as a nice lightweight carbine, so it's not obsolete just because there's not a kid to shoot it.





My 2 cents: I agree with others that a .243 is just not enough power to be a reliable kill. As an ethical hunter, that's one thing you have to make sure of.





7mm is a fast bullet with a nice flat trajectory. Unless your kid is an amazing sharpshooter it's probably not wise for him to try for anything more than about 200 yards out though. And most calibers (but NOT the aforementioned 30-30) will get you that range no problem.What is the best deer rifle for 13 year old. peferably low recoil, but has alot knock down power as well.?
.243 is good up through large deer, very easy to shoot in most rifles with negligible recoil. I'm teaching 2 new hunters this year and pulled 3 of them out of the case. Compared to everything else I shoot, these things were an absolute pleasure to spend time at the range with. Starting light and getting a larger caliber when he's older is the start to a great hobby, collecting :)





Then I sighted in my .444 and got punched in the head with the scope. Note to all, shoot the heavy stuff first, and then the light stuff :laugh:





Range for deer with a good bullet should be limited to w/in 300 and 200 would be better. 300 would be pushing things a bit, and a new hunter shouldn't consider shooting that range anyways.





Beyond that I'd stick with .270 and below until he has more trigger time. Heavy recoils on a new shooter lead to very bad habits. Smaller people, women children etc. CAN definitely shoot big calibers, but that's not where you want them to start.





A heavier gun will recoil less, but there is a limit to what I'd expect a 13 year old to be able to actually lug around and safely control.
A 243 is based on the 308 case, and with a proper bullet selection can be a good deer rifle. However, with it's modest bullet weights it isn't the best cartridge for all deer hunting situations. A better alternative would be the 7mm-08, based on the same case as 243 and providing a heavier bullet with more margin of energy for more assured harvesting of deer. My 12 year old can shoot a 243 with 95 grain bullets all afternoon given the chance (40 plus rounds) and has shot my 30-06 with reduced recoil rounds, 20 in 30 minutes or so.The 7mm-08 would be between the 243 and reduced recoil 30-06 for recoil if you were using 140 or 150 grain bullets.


You can expect 2 inch or less groups of 3 shots with any modern bolt action rifle with decent ammo,sometimes much better, and a 243 or 7mm-08 is capable of 300 yard shots or better easily with practice and good optics. Again, I recommend the 7m-08 over the 243 for better mass on target and greater energy, which is what you want. A similar case can be made for the 270, based on a 30-06 case and using a 130 or 140 grain bullet, you will get good velocities and knock down power with slightly less recoil than a 30-06.


I always advocate using a good bonded core bullet in deer hunting for best terminal performance and penetration.


There is no substitute for good shot placement with the right bullet, and the 7mm or 270 is going to trump the 243.
A 243 Win is what I would consider the bare minimum caliber for deer, primarily b/c of the factors of bullet weight %26amp; shot placement. Long range accuracy is where it stands out.


Better choices are the 260 Rem or 7mm-08 Rem. They also have good long range accuracy and recoil only marginally stiffer than the 243. Remember that felt recoil is also affected by the weight, fit %26amp; action of the rifle; a gas-operated rifle generally will have less felt recoil than a bolt action.
.243 win


.257 roberts


.260 rem


7mm-08


6.5x55 swede


7mm mauser





any of these are plenty for deer at any reasonable range that you would need, and have very manageable recoil, even for younger and smaller shooters.





Of these my pick would be the 7-08, which is the same case as the .243 but necked up to accept a bigger bullet, and has a bit more knockdown power. These are fairly common, ammo is not hard to find. I know of a lot of people (mostly relation, and a lot of them female and not very big) that have started out with these, have had no problem at all with the recoil, and have never seen any need to upgrade
The gun type and weight can have more to do with recoil than the round fired. A light weight bolt gun in 243 will have more felt recoil than a heavy semi auto in 308. Me and my best friend have older savage 110's in 243, mine has a synthetic stock his is wood and a little heavier. The recoil is noticeably harder with mine than his shooting the same ammo.





13 is a strange age, some 13 year olds are built like grown ups some are still kid sized. Unless you are real small for your age I would suggest you try to shoot some friends guns to see what you like and what you can handle. The first few that come to mind are a 30-30 is you are not going to be shooting over 200 or 250 yards, 243 or 308 with light loads if you are going to be shooting out to 300 or 400 yards.





If you reload or some one who can reload for you a 260 or 7-08 would be worth a look but ammo can be hard to find.





I am going to get some thumbs down for this but will say it any way. If you are a good shot, it is legal in your area, and you don't like the recoil from all the above rounds look into 223 or 22-250. (Keep in mind the keyboard commandos who will try to take my birthday away for saying a 22 cal center fire round will kill a deer will turn around and tell you or any one else that they should hunt Alaskan bear with a 30-06.)





Good luck.





Dave
The .243 is a good choice for most medium sized game. Keep in mind that the weight of the gun itself has a lot to do with how much recoil you feel. Its a pain to haul around a boat anchor of a gun, but the recoil will be lighter if the gun is heavier.





Dont worry too much about recoil, you will learn how to handle your rifle if you practice, and none of the common non-magnum calibers are going to knock you over. I wouldnt start with a .308, .30-06, or 7.62x54 but other than that, something larger like a .270 should be OK too.





I would consider a 20 ga. shotgun with a rifled slug barrel. A slug gun is a great choice for close in deer hunting, plus gives you versitility should you decide to try bird. A good Remington 870 makes a great first shotgun.
The way to get ';big knockdown power'; is to get a semi-auto action, which eats up most of the felt recoil by spreading out the shock pulse in time. Most folks notice that a 308 semi-auto has about the same felt recoil as a 243 bolt action rifle. Both will kill deer, but you want ';knockdown'; for some reason, and the 308 will also kill moose.
I went with a .243 chambered Remington Model Seven CDL for my 13 year old daughter. She dropped a 150lb 8 point buck at over 200yds with a single shot. If you look at the ballistics including fps and ft lbs of energy, a .243 exceeds the standards most people use for deer sized game. For an example, using a Federal factory loaded 100gr Sierra Game King Boat Tail Soft Point at 300 yds the bullet is still going over 2300fps and has over 1200ft lbs of energy. More than enough velocity to fully expand and more than enough energy to get the job of killing the animal done. Plenty of penetration and a large enough hole. Far from just being marginal.
i'll probably get some thumbs down for this...but i'm going to say get a rem 700 in .308 win.





the recoil isn't that bad, and really proper stance/technique goes along way in reducing felt recoil. i've seen 100lb women shoot .375 H%26amp;H mags better than alot of 250lb men, its doesn't matter what age or weight you are but whether you use proper technique and alot of practice.





with a setup like this you probably have 99% of all game in north america covered. as for range its up to you, most rifles can out shoot their shooters.
hmm if you will be target shooting with it before the season then i sugest the .243 for you...but if you are just going to hunt with the gun then maybe a 30/06...you wont feel the guns recoil when your shooting at an animal you zone out and dont hear anything either and the 30/06 aint bad i can shoot it about 15 times before i get flinchy
My dad put me behind a .270 at 13 and i'm small. Its a great caliber he will own his entire life(teach him how to take care of a gun, I have a beautiful tool because my dad taught me). Get him a Remington if you wanna spend 400-600 for a rifle and good scope. Get him a Winchester if you wanna spend 800-1100 for a good rifle and scope. Get him a box of shells and a good shock pad for it, take off the shock pad in a year. I have a great recoil pad on my 7mm Mag that helps tremendously(40$, don't know what its called, got it at *****). A .243 is ok but this is borderline humane with only 1500ft lbs energy at 100yds then 1000fp at 200yds. A .270 will kill a deer as far as he can shoot and it will drop it where it stands. Very ethical. 270 bullets come in a wide variety and are relatively cheap. Make sure you know if he is right or left eye dominant before you buy a right or left handed gun. Tell him good luck. I'll be sitting 30 foot up a oak tree 20yds downwind of a massive white oak this weekend in the heart of the Alabama black belt, with a bow. My first bow hunt. I can barely sleep I'm so excited. Wish me luck. Get the 270! 300$





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you want a 243. very good gun. great for deer as well as a varmint gun. i just recently shot a medium sized prarie dog a 264 yards. kind of a lucky shot i guess but my friend has not problem with shooting their heads of a 200 yards. 9 out of 10 he will hit garanteed. not a lot of recoil. 270 will give you blue shoulder and 30-06 has a good knock to it but the bullet is very lazy.
the 243 is a great gun to start a young hunter with.it has plenty of knock down power for deer out to 250 yds or more depending on bullet choice. felt recoil is like a 20 ga shotgun.for the lower grain bullets.all in all its a great deer rifle to start with.
243 Winchester is not the best pick, especially for that age. It's a marginal caliber that needs a lot of discretion in shot selection. Only slightly larger in caliber but hugely ahead in effectiveness would be 260 Remington (in the Remy Model 7, for instance) or 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser (in the Ruger 77). And both are available in compact guns that'll fit a smaller-than-average man.
A 243 is a great gun with less recoil. I have shot over 30 deer with my 243. One big buck at 330 yards with one shot. It walked 20 yards and dropped. 243 cartridges are some of the lower priced ones as well.
You won't be 13 years old forever, get a bit bigger caliber. I recommend a .270. It is a much better deer cartridge.
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